the example cited first by harry reid, with the governor arguing that the government should focus less on washington's budget battle and more on what's happening in the states. mark, i think you guys do an excellent job outlining the examples here. so the question is do you -- >> it actually remains to be seen. this is what happens to a party that is out of power, out of the white house. we saw the democrats grapple with this after john kerry lost in 2004. so 2005-2006 was all a battle of ideas, how do you position the party for success and the lessons and the fights in the republican party has now either help it going ahead to 2016 or actually could keep it where it currently is right now. but to answer your question, we're really not going to know for another year or two, this is just the beginning of those types of fights. >> congresswoman marsha blackburn was on with chuck todd this morning and he asked her, is the gop problem a message or messenger problem, here's what she said? >> i think it's a little bit of beth in that we have a good solid philosophical core, we have the right